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1287F2 Link so we can go to that page easily! Please type below! Or else...

Can I also suggest that any new files are linked to on the page above...or shall we set up a new wiki? Its rather bemusing all this material already there....

=== **Just pasting my comments from earlier. Did anyone or did I email it, copy the stuff I wrote before? I had some ideas about assessments. I know one was designing the website along with the accounts and another was doing a dealing with people one which tested like doctors get tested with some live sessions with actors as patients or staff. I think we should all put ideas down on a page under headings and then sift. Personally, and as I am with you, I would slightly ignore the reality of your situation ie whats being comvered already and just go for the best course. I also think it should be business for freelance or independent health care professionals. It would then have a wider reach. Non of the uni staff will know what is on your course already and I think we just want what we think is the most interesting course which makes uses our skills.** ===

=== **So from before.My understanding is that we are designing the skeleton (mark for everyone who can get skeleton into their text from now..). I don't think we have to actually prepare all the material. However, race said that the students who did the best are cue archers or something and as it seems obvious the lecturers are ll trying to get us to think Facebook,blog, moodle, essay, video etc, we should probably press their buttons?? Also presumably if we just copy their format ie two formative and 2 summative and sort of look at the basic amount they include, it will give us the right amount of material.** ===

My understanding from the lecturers and race are:

1. Use moodle, live lectures, vivas, or filmed situations, wikis, webs, on-line... I suggest we lay something out a bit like their moodle course but with some sections will say live lecture by and background reading or task to go with it. If we copied the format (though this may be masters) or an existing course but changed the content, we should be al right.

Anyone had any thoughts on F2? I suggest we try and keep it simple. We discussed the idea of a business course for osteopathy graduates. This could include Finance and accounts, Marketing, basic HR and basic IT. I don't think it neeeds to be at Masters level and it ought to be a final year course. How many hours, units?

I know we mentioned lots of other professional issues but think we can assume that they are covered on other aspects of the main course. Re: budget, we could set up lectures from BOA (British Osteopathic Association), GOSC and an Accountant, as all happens at the moment but we neeed to envelope it all into a nice package rather than sporadic extras. We should consider timescale for each part of the process.

We need to demonstrate a range of teaching methods and various modes of delivery in keeping with the modern technological age. We need to show that we have looked at market forces and justify the need for the course... This should fit in with the employability bit that seems to be a new focus. We are fortunate that Osteopathy is vocational but should consider equipping students with skills that would serve them well if they need to supplement their income with other work or decide that osteopathy is not for them. Part of their assessment could be a group effort pretending to set up a practise. they would need to write a basic business plan as if looking for an investor. This should make them think about about a SWOT analysis, capital costs and general everyday expenditure and to work on income forecasts. If we were clever we could design the course so the students accumulate knowledge along the way aiding their project which could be a summative piece of assessment. There ought to be a few formative pieces in between. Maybe when we have more meat on the bone we can create some sub pages as before and allocate areas to work on between us. I think it would be a good idea to maybe meet up on a chat forum one evening. They always seem to be empty of chat when I've tried to get on them but it could work out if we all arranged a time. Failing that I could meet with Mo and Andy at some point at the ESO.

Have renamed it.

Hi thanks everyone for getting F1 in. I have started to look at F2 and created a new page to this end, unfortunately I have named it 1286 not 1287! I tried to change it but it won't let me, maybe Mo can do it as he is the originator? I'm trying to do a bit before the baby completely disrupts an already chaotic life.

He is back and has made the site public but not able to edit. I will email link through to whoever. Peter said we submit link, but I am not sure where to. Am awaiting.... worse comes to worse I will email him the link from all of us!

I'm not sure whaen Mo is back from Russia. he may have to send through the link to make it public. Is everyone happy with what's been produced? I emailed peter, we just submit the link...not sure how that works - I presume some pages are veiwable by non invitees...but how? Or do we have to make this wiki public in which case it will have to be the creator who either invites or makes wiki public....  Well done Kate that could be the reason it didn't quite make sense having qu.5 and 6. I think our Vice principal (Academic) acted as the IF.

10.45 I have just found yet another document which has information from the QAA on the reviews. It has a list of all the documentation for the SED and SWS so I have put that beneath the osteopathy paperwork - 2 annexs. Then there is also info about a supporter who is appointed for the audit. The institution is invited to appoint an institutional facilitator (IF) to support the review (whether Institutional, hybrid or collaborative provision review). The role of the IF is intended to improve the flow of information between the team and the institution. It is envisaged that the IF will be member of the institution's staff. So that explains q5 being different. So I have put that in, and left the other people you mention. If you think its right leave it there, if not delete it, also it may then mean that you want to move the generic people to go with the Q6 people. I've also put a link on the page that has the papers needed. Also key question - how do we upload our artifact...can you upload a wiki? Or do we upload a link? Or do we not submit? Also this is meant to be part of pebble pad thing I think - but once again - how does one migrate a wiki? Maybe we should have pebblepadded from day 1. Nightmare. Then I looked at the red handbook and its totally out of date - all the tasks are different! Also if we give in the wiki, do we need to change the header page to home so they can find it or is this whole thing just for us? I also just found a student guide to teh QAA which is like the dummies guide and written without govenment speak. I have added this and also added a bit to the question about what they can audit from there. Please see if its needed. It makes sense with the other stuff

....and another Framework for HE Qualifications pdf. I thought it might be useful as the QAA constantly refer to FHEQ

I've just uploaded another pdf file (as if we need more) called the Osteopathy Benchmark Statement 2007 which is a core reference for our course and it is a QAA document. I have not put it on the main header page as I didn't want to mess up your good work but think it could go on there.

I was just thinking it needed a few generals as in titles above the papers. However, I'm trawling round and the information if very all over the place... I don't find acadmic papers and government papers very easy or logically written out. I am sure its fine...i will twiddle if I have time...but don't worry.

Kate I've looked at question 3 again and it does include much of what any institution should provide plus a few specific to the ESO. It's up to you if you want to change but think its probably acceptable. I've been trying to delete the file below but not giving a delete option.Might as well leave it.

oooer News flash = Institutional Audit =

(England and Northern Ireland)
Institutional Audit is the previous review process for higher education institutions in England and Northern Ireland. It was replaced in September 2011 by the __ [|Institutional Review] __ method. THEY ARE OUT OF DATE!!!!

http://www.qaa.ac.uk/InstitutionReports/types-of-review/Pages/IRENI.aspx

I was going to delete the file that said index to files as I put them on the header page instead. It took so long, I couldn't face doing it again. I was also going to have a go at making the question, I htink 3, a bit more generic. As in what sort of papers rather than very specific as I figure this is meant to be useful to everyone. Just keep getting taken up by other things. I also can't open the power point. We can always delete that link if you like. It was a bit of a joke anyway....but then it might give everyone soem light relief..... this QAA thing is so deeply dull......necessary but mind dumbingly dull

* none [|edit] ||< [|cheesewheeze] ||< Yesterday 11:56 am || This one for deletion... There may be some other files too but I guess we may as well just leave them. I've moved hte power point link to the bottom of the page, so its there but not noticeable!
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Hi all, Kate, which files do you want to delete and i will have a go. Had a read through and all looking really good. For some reason i can't get the powerpoint to open but probably just my slow computer will try again. I keep returning to question 5 and i'm still not quite sure what they are looking for. If they mean who can offer support during the audit then thats pretty well the same as question 6 where Andy has listed those to be involved.

I have done a top page with links for the questions. Then I have added a list of all the files in the wiki to help us access stuff in the future. I even managed to put a widget in..very proud of myself - though I miss the ducks... Now does anyone know how to delete files. Can't seem to remove them... Ended up putting separate page of index to files but put index on the page with the index to the questions so was trying to delete the files....but ????. Help says you select file and hit delete but always a problem on the mac which doesnt have a delete button....hum!

Sorry Kate I didn't look at the powerpoint. I'm with you on the Wiki. I think it ticks more of their boxes than the powerpoint.

I think looking at it we stay with the wiki and jazz it up. I didn't realise we can do links etc..so have done a top page. Was experimenting putting the files on that top page too in some sort of order and deleting the useless ones. So you have a top page with links so its good. I'm stuck at Crystal palace today but no wifi, very annoying or I could do lots then...

Strruggling to find time at present. Not free to work until friday/week end. Kate, like the powerpoint. Sorry i didn't look striaght away as i thought you meant the QAA presentation. Shall we just go with wiki space and give them the link to a page which includes all our answers ? Not sure how it all works still.. Will look at whats been done tomorrow if time at School. Hope its not too cold with the Ruskies Mo and stay off that dodgy wodka!

I'm in russia now, so just checking in, been on the voddy so no help i'm afraid.

Re powerpoint: Meeooowww. I like the banana, apple and pussy cat, subliminal suggestion, i'm thinking fructose reflection and roughage alignment. The hyperlinks are lost, but you should be able to add them, I don't know how, but there must be a button.

Having a play with the wiki, I am only beginnign to understand how it works...have added a title page with links to all the questions and now investigating widgets....help! ** So did anyone look at my power point????? i also think we have to make the what do you need questions more generic..eg what sort of papers you need rather than the osteopath specific ones... don't know.. but I can have a go at that. ** ** I also didn't put my plans in at first but then sent them in and it was OK. You can change your email with them. I have them sending stuff to my normal email, though some still goes to Greenwich... What got me was having to do a reflection on the teachers reflection on your notes.... **  Sounds like me! He didn't turn up to my TPA's because I didn't send plans in advance. I've just editted and added bits but now have run out of time. Formatting is pissing me off am I missing something straight forward here? It takes 3 clicks, but atleast we can see who's talking...

Just had a look at my greenwich email. It seems I forgot to put the lesson plans with my lesson observation sheets. Paul had emailled me twice, but i never bother to look at it. His last email said he couldn't pass me without them and was dated 26th Jan. I re-submitted with them added, but might have screwed up. oops! Hi, Will try and do some tommorrow night on Qu 5 and 6. Been busy last few days with late finishes. Rob YOu should all read this too which is downloaded... http://greenwich-group.wikispaces.com/file/view/QAA+audit+Presentation20100121.pdf/300591052/QAA%20audit%20Presentation20100121.pdf **Later that night I added - I have put question 1 on a power point... as I said happy to go with a wiki as its more space useful, but thougth I would do it anyway, though probably I should have been working on Q5!! You will see it...** === **Oh and dropbox...you install it on your computer and then you just use it like one of the directories. I basically save all my files that I am working on, on it. I have it installed on my mac and on my pc and on my ipad. Then if I change anything on any it backs up to cyber space and next time you open another machine, you just go to the dropbox directory and its there updated. Also you can share folders so that its again just like a normal directory but you can all open it. SO much easier to have a variety of files and you can sort them in folders which is what is annoying about wiki, is you can't. Also if you are at a public computer, you just open it with your email and password and its all there. Dropbox told me Mo had already got a dropbox.... ** === ==== **Its very funny putting different slides under the titles - makes it look like you are taking the mick with some....** ====

==== **OK I have reviewed your question one and corrected a couple of spellos and stuff. However, I think its pretty dammed good. I know someone mentioned PP, but its too much info really for that and you would loose the hyper links. So what does everyone want to do? We could change it into a moodle, but I don't really see the point or of cramming it onto a Power point, though willing to do that. I will put all the info for Q1 on one and you can see, but I think then you would loose the hyper links and it would be crammed. Also its not the sort of material that comes with pretty pictures! Thoughts please. I can't remember what they said???** ==== ==== **Oh don't worry! I'll do some presentation sides with all the lovely info we/you've all found... it was my evening task. Have fun in Russia - how exciting.... bet its reeeeally cold there. And look at you with your little clever links on the pages... now I don't know about doing the power point as mentioned as not sure the links will remain...** ==== = **13th Feb** I've just flung something up for question 2 as well. I'm going to Russia on Wednesday until Sunday night, and so am unlikely to add anything more to FT1. I'll check my emails and the wiki whilst I'm away, but if someone could add to question 1, check my answers to Qu. 4 and Qu. 2, and then answer Qu, 5 I think we'll be laughing. Mo =

==== **12th Feb later on!** I've just put something on the question 4 as well, but i'm not sure if its correct,. I've just taken it from the GOsC handbook on what to expect for your QAA review. Perhaps someone could read it and add as necessary. Ta. Mo ====

==== **12th Feb** .I've answered question 1 on the page Cheesy added. Have a look and edit it as necessary if you feel the need. Mo ==== PS. Kate said i'm invited to drop box, but haven't had anything as yet. I do have a dropbox on my office computer, but don't really know how to use it! PSS Just saw Kate wanted to do question 1, oops!

Hi there,
I have posted the full questions on each page. I feel I should do q1 for a starter as the others seem more organisation specific. Am a bit busy at the moment with my animated opera! Don't ask....

.... Just posted Documentation needed for Qu.3 page. feel free to add or comment (Rob)
==== I've just gone through the SED which is worth reading as an overview of the Institution and provides the background for the QAA inspection. ==== I have made notes and will be able to compile a list of the documents needed Qu.3. I think it will be an idea to put them under headings.. but I will write it up later today or tommorrow for viewing on the Question 3 page. Qu.4 details can be extrapolated from the documents supplied pretty well and so on. Anyone fancy taking on Qu.1 and 2 more specifically? ==== I've taken liberty of setting up some pages relating to questions. feel free to add thoughts on each question or discard the idea if you don't agree. Cheers rob ====

Hi guys,
==== I managed to chat to Erica (Academic Registrar) and she has given me a few bits of information regarding the later questions. As everyone is pretty busy over the next week I propose we agree on an artefact (Powerpoint maybe as never used Prezzi Can't we just give them the wiki link ? Mo ) and assign questions and keep it simple. If we each do a question then the others can add or at least comment on it. I'm happy with any but not really thought about or researched Qu.2 the collaborative bit. Suits me I've done 1, 2 & 4, who's doing 5, and can you add to my qu 1 answer, Andrew's document has more info. Mo ==== ==== How about we start a new wiki page with headings relating to the Questions and each member add their thoughts in the coloured text, but one person must be responsible for writing up and collating that question ready to cut and paste onto the final artefact. I'm happy to get on with the later questions but am quite easy. ====

I heard that the other group have pretty well done their FT1.. Rotters. (Rob)
Hi. I've been looking through the QAA material and cut and pasted a word document just superficially from their website which results in more than enough detail. When considering question 2 it seems to get more tricky. Are they looking at collaborative provision? Several documents go into detail regards this I've uploaded a couple of files from the QAA website. It possibly affects us two fold as a partner institution and as an E learning course. So do we each take a question? What format is our answer going to take? Do we answer the simply answer the questions or do we embed them in them in an artefact re the scenario. Powerpoint or Prezzi? The collaborative I'm wading through the material heading onto Q3 now. Time to come up with a skeleton (hee hee) plan for FI. I think its good if we have an overall idea re each question but see Robs point about collating.

=== Dam black is so dull!! Could you possibly make the blue a bit bigger? My aged eyes find it slightly tricky on this small pad. Don't stess about the multiplatform stuff. It only means we have to say words like moodle or attended lecture or course work. My understanding is that we are designing the skeleton (mark for everyone who can get skeleton into their text from now..). I don't think we have to actually prepare all the material. However, race said that the students who did the best are cue archers or something and as it seems obvious the lecturers are ll trying to get us to think Facebook,blog, moodle,nessay, video etc, we should probably press their buttons?? Also presumably if we just copy their format ie two formative and 2 summative and sorttop look at the basic amount they include, it will give us the right amount of material. === I will try and do at bit at the weekend on these questions.

We don't have to show all our contributions here do we all I will sound like a rihot lazy so and so????

Hi Guys (its Rob i'll take blue)

You have been busy. I've been hastily trying to read through a number of these attachments to make sense of what we are looking to achieve. I also found an old powerpoint

from one of our early QAA visits and it was written to briefly outline the process to faculty members. It may be of some use, I'll upload it anyway?

With regard to FT1 I think it would be good to start assigning questions to members of the group to help to get us focused otherwise we could run the risk of all reading around the subject and leaving it too late to collate the information. on some questions I feel it needs a bit of a brain storm especially Q.5. Another few conversations with Paula Fletcher (VP Academic) would also be useful.

Re: FT2 I really like Kate's ideas, definitely ticks the boxes about active learning and problem solving in groups. I think we need to look closely at which aspects we want to actually assess (formatively and summatively) if any at all. Could it be an optional course? <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #0900ff; display: block; font-family: 'comic sans ms',cursive; font-size: 13px;">It was great to discuss the 25 questions to do with our proposed course on Saturday and it made me realise that the course could include a huge number of topics relevant to a student graduating but i feel we need to hone down onto specifics as we don't want to create overlap which can often be the case. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #0900ff; display: block; font-family: 'comic sans ms',cursive; font-size: 13px;">It would be good to brain storm and bullet point topics or sub courses just so that we are in agreement. i feel this way we can start apportioning hours to each topic, prioritise and decide on the types of assessments if any. Hopefully this activity will give us the skeleton of the course (excuse the punn).

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #0900ff; display: block; font-family: 'comic sans ms',cursive; font-size: 13px;">What does everyone else think?

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #0900ff; display: block; font-family: 'comic sans ms',cursive; font-size: 13px;">I am still feeling my way around this wiki spaces so am not sure exactly what's possible. can we set up some brainstorming pages away from the home page? Rob

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #008000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Hi! Wow Kate you've been busy. Thanks for setting up the space Mo. I like what Kate suggests though I am a little daunted by the multi platform idea but that would be great to learn and apply. Keep up with the fast moving world! I hope to read up on some of kate's material and contribute something my earliest opportunity being friday so speak to you again then. I guess I'll stick with green. A <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #ff0000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I agree with all that's written below. With regards the "other" course, I don't think it's finalised as yet and so it has nothing to do with what we eventually put together. I also agree with the concept of multi-platform teaching methods. We could put a directory of links to various online resources, banks have downloadable business planners and the such.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #ff0000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Regard the first formative task I have uploaded a couple of documents from our academic VP which should help sort it out. We can just fill in our answers on page 2 of this wiki, and then make that our artefact.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #ff0000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">If we write in different colours it will make it easier to see what's been written. I'm happy to be red! (Mo)

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Hi there,

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I have also added some files that I found references or links to on our moodle. The one by Biggs is from the book they mention, but the pagination went awhol as it was an online library copy...

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Also on teh QAA site there is no benchmark for business but there is one for health related courses, so I have included it anyway. Also one from IOWA, as it was the only benchmark for business education I could find apart from an australian one.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Finally, I was thinking about the later course design. Looking the way they have run moodle and the lanter coursework info, plus the videos they showed us, I am feeling that what they want us to think about is multiplatform multi wahtever delivery... I think this is how they want us to think, so maybe we should play that game so eg <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">So mimic what they have done....Use variety of of ways of delivering coure. Some lectures, some workshops, some moodle and use a vairety of types of assessing - Simon into this. All in Phil Race

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">So just some ideas <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">YOu have a model which ends with assessed course work of.. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">1. Prepare a business plan for you opening and the running of your own practice. Include all bodies insurances prof bodies etc. Legal stuff

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">2. Another piece of assessed work could be a website Marketing you as a business or sole trader, talking about your philosophy and what you offer and showing pictures/photos of your place of business and self etc. also could include a little video of you talking/you working as an osteopath..

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">3. Finally the module dealing with people could be like a viva (doctors use this) where a student has to deal with actors in different scenarios one as a member of staff you have to reprimand or warn or something (as there are rules) and one patient in a scenario... <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">This is done as a live viva.... The course would run up to this. I have a friend who writes this stuff for student doctors as its now viewed as very important so equally osteopaths should have the same needs? Kate

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">p.s. I would also distance yourselves a tiny bit from what is taught on the other courses, as in nobody else knows so if you think it makes this course better don't worry about if its elsewhere!!! (can we erase that before they read it!!)

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Hi Guys,

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I've uploaded a few of the documents we've already got that we might need for this next part of the course.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Watch the wiki demo video on youtube via moodle to understand what a wiki is and see how useful it can be for our communication.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">As we do something, we can upload it here, or type it here and then we can all share and edit it. That way we should be able to keep track of what we're all doing.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I've already lost track of some of the email conversations, for example I'm sure Phil recommended 1, 3 and 4 scenarios as the best bet, but Rob said 'I agree 1,2 and 5 are the best" so already there's confusion. If it was just written here, we'd all see what was recommended and not have to page down through umpteen emails to see what was previously written.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #000000; display: block; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Anyway, let's see if it works.

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